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	<title>Comments for The Phil Naessens Show</title>
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		<title>Comment on The Dave Norris Farce Continues by pregador27</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/06/02/the-dave-norris-farce-continues/#comment-275093</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am Pete Garbacki, and I am a real person. I did not realize that there was a legitimate controversy concerning Dave Norris and SPM. 

I stopped posting there a long time ago due to doctrinal disagreements. Despite knowing where I stood, they (he?) put forth antagonistic posts that made me feel like I was not welcome. 

If you have any questions contact me at my email address.  The two who have commented here are welcome to also. You can also reach me through my blog. I will read the link from apostasywatch &amp;#38; listen to this podcast.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Pete Garbacki, and I am a real person. I did not realize that there was a legitimate controversy concerning Dave Norris and SPM. </p>
<p>I stopped posting there a long time ago due to doctrinal disagreements. Despite knowing where I stood, they (he?) put forth antagonistic posts that made me feel like I was not welcome. </p>
<p>If you have any questions contact me at my email address.  The two who have commented here are welcome to also. You can also reach me through my blog. I will read the link from apostasywatch &amp; listen to this podcast.  Thank you.
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		<title>Comment on The Dave Norris Farce Continues by Baxter</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/06/02/the-dave-norris-farce-continues/#comment-270287</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Since the beginning of posting on these threads I have had friends warn me of the integrity of Spiritual Pathways Ministries and its owner Dave Norris. Dave has posted several things about Mike Peters. This is not to negate the experiences of those of us who have been traumatized in one way or another by our association with Mike and his followers. But I thought it good to post the &quot;blog&quot; that I found on the internet that confirms what others have been telling me about Dave.

It is found here http://apostasywatch.com/Norrisexposed.htm

Emails that I have received since the beginning reflect that this is true.

email #1 &quot;If that is David Norris, he is completely untrustworthy and a fraud. We discovered this early on when he started posting information which we were saying privately (which included him) on his blog.&quot;

email #2 &quot;Long story short, he was following factnet since way back when and he was making posts on his blog attacking people like...who posted anonymously calling them cowards and cockroaches who were afraid to come out into the light.&quot;


email #3 &quot;Do you know ________________? __ knows him personally and is the first one who told us to beware of Norris. He attacked _________ at one point trying to mess up their ministry. He's just really bad news. Ask___ or ______ and they'll tell you to just leave him alone. He is only looking for attention and wants to be a &quot;big man&quot;. &quot; 

email #4 In an email soon after that, he admitted that one of the people posting on his blog was not real, but a penname he used. One by the name of Herbert Knose, supposedly a former pastor. I let it slide at that time, but _______ figured that all the posters were actually Norris. We had asked a number of times to speak on the phone to someone besides Norris, and were told no every time. Odd excuses each time we asked. 

Then, one of his posters put up some post referring to Herbert Knose as if he were a real person, so I wrote Norris an email to ask him about it. I said that it made me wonder if any of them are real. He immediately wrote back a nasty email to me saying that I am far too suspicious and that he wanted nothing more to do with me. Our 'friendship' was over. Kaput! 

I did some research on the net and I found some old posts made by someone else who suspected that Norris posts using fake names alot. It really bugged me that he keeps doing this, so I wrote an email to one of the only two guys who were real on SPM (besides Norris) by the name of Tim Wirth. (He has his own blog called The No Goofy Zone. The other guy who I think is real is Pete Garbacki and I think he still posts only occasionally.) Anyway, Wirth forwarded my email to Norris, who immediately wrote me back calling me evil. Then he made a post on SPM calling me ***** who walks all over everyone I meet, and a whole lot of other nasty stuff. He removed it minutes later, but not soon enough that I didn't see it. I forwarded the text of it to Mr Wirth, who never wrote back to me. But I see that Norris no longer posts on his blog, and Wirth is no longer on SPM. I don't know if it was because of what I told Wirth about Norris, or some other reason. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the beginning of posting on these threads I have had friends warn me of the integrity of Spiritual Pathways Ministries and its owner Dave Norris. Dave has posted several things about Mike Peters. This is not to negate the experiences of those of us who have been traumatized in one way or another by our association with Mike and his followers. But I thought it good to post the &#8220;blog&#8221; that I found on the internet that confirms what others have been telling me about Dave.</p>
<p>It is found here <a href="http://apostasywatch.com/Norrisexposed.htm" rel="nofollow">http://apostasywatch.com/Norrisexposed.htm</a></p>
<p>Emails that I have received since the beginning reflect that this is true.</p>
<p>email #1 &#8220;If that is David Norris, he is completely untrustworthy and a fraud. We discovered this early on when he started posting information which we were saying privately (which included him) on his blog.&#8221;</p>
<p>email #2 &#8220;Long story short, he was following factnet since way back when and he was making posts on his blog attacking people like&#8230;who posted anonymously calling them cowards and cockroaches who were afraid to come out into the light.&#8221;</p>
<p>email #3 &#8220;Do you know ________________? __ knows him personally and is the first one who told us to beware of Norris. He attacked _________ at one point trying to mess up their ministry. He&#8217;s just really bad news. Ask___ or ______ and they&#8217;ll tell you to just leave him alone. He is only looking for attention and wants to be a &#8220;big man&#8221;. &#8221; </p>
<p>email #4 In an email soon after that, he admitted that one of the people posting on his blog was not real, but a penname he used. One by the name of Herbert Knose, supposedly a former pastor. I let it slide at that time, but _______ figured that all the posters were actually Norris. We had asked a number of times to speak on the phone to someone besides Norris, and were told no every time. Odd excuses each time we asked. </p>
<p>Then, one of his posters put up some post referring to Herbert Knose as if he were a real person, so I wrote Norris an email to ask him about it. I said that it made me wonder if any of them are real. He immediately wrote back a nasty email to me saying that I am far too suspicious and that he wanted nothing more to do with me. Our &#8216;friendship&#8217; was over. Kaput! </p>
<p>I did some research on the net and I found some old posts made by someone else who suspected that Norris posts using fake names alot. It really bugged me that he keeps doing this, so I wrote an email to one of the only two guys who were real on SPM (besides Norris) by the name of Tim Wirth. (He has his own blog called The No Goofy Zone. The other guy who I think is real is Pete Garbacki and I think he still posts only occasionally.) Anyway, Wirth forwarded my email to Norris, who immediately wrote me back calling me evil. Then he made a post on SPM calling me ***** who walks all over everyone I meet, and a whole lot of other nasty stuff. He removed it minutes later, but not soon enough that I didn&#8217;t see it. I forwarded the text of it to Mr Wirth, who never wrote back to me. But I see that Norris no longer posts on his blog, and Wirth is no longer on SPM. I don&#8217;t know if it was because of what I told Wirth about Norris, or some other reason. &#8220;
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		<title>Comment on Dave Norris and His Imaginary Friends by Baxter</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/05/25/dave-norris-and-his-imaginary-friends/#comment-269802</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on A Challenge to T B Joshua by John</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/09/14/a-challenge-to-t-b-joshua/#comment-265232</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>lolzz
I knew you'd press your favorite button again like the coward you are !!
But that's nothing. I'm satisfied now..hehe.
I think I've accomplished  what I wanted... reading TT proves that. People are beginning to see you for what you are.
I won't be listening here anymore so if you want to say anything to me, do it at TT.. i'll be watching .  
Good day!
BTW Challenging Joshua here the way you did makes you look really silly and arrogant !!
 For your sake stop doing things like that man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lolzz
I knew you&#8217;d press your favorite button again like the coward you are !!
But that&#8217;s nothing. I&#8217;m satisfied now..hehe.
I think I&#8217;ve accomplished  what I wanted&#8230; reading TT proves that. People are beginning to see you for what you are.
I won&#8217;t be listening here anymore so if you want to say anything to me, do it at TT.. i&#8217;ll be watching .  
Good day!
BTW Challenging Joshua here the way you did makes you look really silly and arrogant !!
 For your sake stop doing things like that man.
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		<title>Comment on Todd Bentley is Back by Tom</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/06/27/todd-bentley-is-back/#comment-238660</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great show,especially liked your comment regarding some charismatics going for the power of Christ,but not wanting him.You answered a question I've asked for thirty years.Thanks,and keep up the good work.
                                                                  tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great show,especially liked your comment regarding some charismatics going for the power of Christ,but not wanting him.You answered a question I&#8217;ve asked for thirty years.Thanks,and keep up the good work.
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		<title>Comment on The Dave Norris Farce Continues by Josh Parker</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/06/02/the-dave-norris-farce-continues/#comment-232616</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you for being so vigilant in this matter.  I am one who was duped by Mr. Norris for some time.  At one time, he invited me to be part of his team but I refused because I already had a full plate.  I was told that if I wanted to be part of the team, I would need to make my articles short and have them turned in by a certain time for future posting.  I was under the impression that this was a ministry with several moderators.  I do remember asking a question about something and that I was told that the author was not going to be moderating at the time, so the question was being answered by someone else instead.  Of course, I had no idea about who was who.  I did not know that one guy was acting as several.  

At one time, I did have some of SPM's articles on my own website, but now I don't.  Dave Norris (or whoever he really is) invited me to sign up for his .ning blog but the last time that I visited that blog, I told him to remove me from his blogroll and his email list immediately.   I know that if we bid a man like that Godspeed, then we will partake in his sin.  

Thank you for giving us the heads up.  I hope that others will do what is right and turn away from him.  I am saddened and furious with this person.  Perhaps one day God will grant him repentance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for being so vigilant in this matter.  I am one who was duped by Mr. Norris for some time.  At one time, he invited me to be part of his team but I refused because I already had a full plate.  I was told that if I wanted to be part of the team, I would need to make my articles short and have them turned in by a certain time for future posting.  I was under the impression that this was a ministry with several moderators.  I do remember asking a question about something and that I was told that the author was not going to be moderating at the time, so the question was being answered by someone else instead.  Of course, I had no idea about who was who.  I did not know that one guy was acting as several.  </p>
<p>At one time, I did have some of SPM&#8217;s articles on my own website, but now I don&#8217;t.  Dave Norris (or whoever he really is) invited me to sign up for his .ning blog but the last time that I visited that blog, I told him to remove me from his blogroll and his email list immediately.   I know that if we bid a man like that Godspeed, then we will partake in his sin.  </p>
<p>Thank you for giving us the heads up.  I hope that others will do what is right and turn away from him.  I am saddened and furious with this person.  Perhaps one day God will grant him repentance.
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		<title>Comment on Driscoll, Deception and Deceit by Brown Eyed Girl</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/05/17/driscoll-deception-and-deceit/#comment-222471</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 07:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/05/17/driscoll-deception-and-deceit/#comment-222471</guid>
					<description>Gia Sou!

Ti Kanis Agape Mu!

I'm very proud of you for taking the stand you have! I know it wasn't an easy decision for you to make but we both know this was the right thing for you to do!

See you tonight!

Gia Sou Agape Mu!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gia Sou!</p>
<p>Ti Kanis Agape Mu!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very proud of you for taking the stand you have! I know it wasn&#8217;t an easy decision for you to make but we both know this was the right thing for you to do!</p>
<p>See you tonight!</p>
<p>Gia Sou Agape Mu!
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		<title>Comment on What Color is the Sky in Their World by philnaessens</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/05/03/what-color-is-the-sky-in-their-world/#comment-217209</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 07:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi,

Well, sometimes words offend even if the words weren't meant that way. When they are taken the wrong way the important and correct thing to do is apologize. Remember the &quot;bullet for the Kingdom&quot;?

This particular show has already generated responses from the subjects from parts 2 and 3 and their responses weren't exactly favorable but to be expected. Some folks can certainly dish it out but can't take it I guess. 

People walked on egg-shells back in Luther and Calvins day as well which is why these two men were so successful. They kept pushing despite the opposition and are great examples for all of us to follow. I'm sure they apologized as well for certain things.  

Thanks for the suggestions and of course you can use anything you hear to make your own podcasts better!

What did you mean by the situation in Greece? 

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Well, sometimes words offend even if the words weren&#8217;t meant that way. When they are taken the wrong way the important and correct thing to do is apologize. Remember the &#8220;bullet for the Kingdom&#8221;?</p>
<p>This particular show has already generated responses from the subjects from parts 2 and 3 and their responses weren&#8217;t exactly favorable but to be expected. Some folks can certainly dish it out but can&#8217;t take it I guess. </p>
<p>People walked on egg-shells back in Luther and Calvins day as well which is why these two men were so successful. They kept pushing despite the opposition and are great examples for all of us to follow. I&#8217;m sure they apologized as well for certain things.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestions and of course you can use anything you hear to make your own podcasts better!</p>
<p>What did you mean by the situation in Greece? </p>
<p>Phil
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		<title>Comment on What Color is the Sky in Their World by Roderick</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/05/03/what-color-is-the-sky-in-their-world/#comment-217201</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 06:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Phil please apologize to me now since I'm sure someday you'll do something that offends me.  Sheesh.  Would there have been a Reformation with all the egg-shells around these days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil please apologize to me now since I&#8217;m sure someday you&#8217;ll do something that offends me.  Sheesh.  Would there have been a Reformation with all the egg-shells around these days?
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		<title>Comment on What Color is the Sky in Their World by philnaessens</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/05/03/what-color-is-the-sky-in-their-world/#comment-217179</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 04:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/05/03/what-color-is-the-sky-in-their-world/#comment-217179</guid>
					<description>Hello All,

Part 3 was meant to be humorous and I apologize for any offense this may have caused.

Thanks,

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello All,</p>
<p>Part 3 was meant to be humorous and I apologize for any offense this may have caused.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Phil
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		<title>Comment on What Color is the Sky in Their World by Roderick</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/05/03/what-color-is-the-sky-in-their-world/#comment-216924</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 16:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Phil I've tried to add your podcast feed to my website but for some reason it's not working but I'll keep trying.  A suggestion for the podcast (btw, excellent suggestion to rename the show), but my suggestion would be to post in the show notes how long the audio is.  That way people will know how much time they need to listen to the entire show in one sitting.  

The bumpers between the parts are a good idea (I may &quot;jack&quot; that idea ;-)  for my own podcast)

Thanks for doing the expose on the &quot;Anti-Hyperpret Berate&quot; site.  You showed it was clear that that site is NOT for &quot;debating&quot; but for &quot;berating&quot;.  They practical beg us to please please come to our site.  They just want to claim, &quot;Look, our site is sooo important, we even have Roderick, Dee Dee, Phil et al on our site&quot;.  That is the only reason they want us to join.

Let's see if any of them take you up on your offer to come to TT if they think we won't debate them.

The show is good &amp;#38; I look forward to listening to it.  Can you tell us more about the situation in Greece?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil I&#8217;ve tried to add your podcast feed to my website but for some reason it&#8217;s not working but I&#8217;ll keep trying.  A suggestion for the podcast (btw, excellent suggestion to rename the show), but my suggestion would be to post in the show notes how long the audio is.  That way people will know how much time they need to listen to the entire show in one sitting.  </p>
<p>The bumpers between the parts are a good idea (I may &#8220;jack&#8221; that idea <img src='http://www.podbean.com/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   for my own podcast)</p>
<p>Thanks for doing the expose on the &#8220;Anti-Hyperpret Berate&#8221; site.  You showed it was clear that that site is NOT for &#8220;debating&#8221; but for &#8220;berating&#8221;.  They practical beg us to please please come to our site.  They just want to claim, &#8220;Look, our site is sooo important, we even have Roderick, Dee Dee, Phil et al on our site&#8221;.  That is the only reason they want us to join.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if any of them take you up on your offer to come to TT if they think we won&#8217;t debate them.</p>
<p>The show is good &amp; I look forward to listening to it.  Can you tell us more about the situation in Greece?
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		<title>Comment on Unethical Christian Bloggers by Roderick</title>
		<link>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/04/29/unethical-christian-bloggers/#comment-215234</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://philnaessens.podbean.com/2009/04/29/unethical-christian-bloggers/#comment-215234</guid>
					<description>Phil,
I listened to the entire podcast (even though it kept me up until almost 3am) ;-)
I am soooo glad I did.  The story of the young boy speaking up in theology class has made every abuse I've taken from hyperpreterists worth it.  That is an amazing story.  All glory to God.  Our &quot;real ministries&quot; are really God's ministry in that we are called to contend for the faith, to be honest &amp;#38; forthright, speaking truth in love; even tough love &amp;#38; God will give the increase.

Thanks for all you do here Phil &amp;#38; thanks to God for making sure all of our paths crossed.  This podcast has been an enormous blessing &amp;#38; encouragement.

In Christ &amp;#38; His Church,
Roderick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,
I listened to the entire podcast (even though it kept me up until almost 3am) <img src='http://www.podbean.com/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> 
I am soooo glad I did.  The story of the young boy speaking up in theology class has made every abuse I&#8217;ve taken from hyperpreterists worth it.  That is an amazing story.  All glory to God.  Our &#8220;real ministries&#8221; are really God&#8217;s ministry in that we are called to contend for the faith, to be honest &amp; forthright, speaking truth in love; even tough love &amp; God will give the increase.</p>
<p>Thanks for all you do here Phil &amp; thanks to God for making sure all of our paths crossed.  This podcast has been an enormous blessing &amp; encouragement.</p>
<p>In Christ &amp; His Church,
Roderick
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